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2002/08/25

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大家好我是一個在美洲居住的台灣人..
對於高速公路收費這個東西我支持之前幾位大大所說的免費...因為公路修築這種東西應該是從納稅人的金錢裡面支出吧而不是規費況且高速公路已經件好幾十年了政府早就噱海了...像人家加拿大公路高速公路不知道幾十條但是從來沒有一條要收費因此沒有收費站而且東西向(加拿大東岸最大的高速公路401事東西向的)包括主幹支道加一加有12線道呢..台灣行嘛..?2但是他沒也沒因為免費道路就休不好,在加拿大大概有5個月的時間都會下雪可是人家道路造樣維修的很好台灣都沒在下雪了還收麼貴...真是不公平,然而最近加拿大有一條高速公路開始收費了位什麼..?因為加拿大政府把他賣給私人..因此那條是私人收費公路不知道台灣何時才能做到這種程度....唉...
嗯...看你進口對那國有偏好啦...
德國日本法國等等看你愛哪一國再給你點意見...
前往討論:要買什麼車好?
自我更正一下..
便宜一扮...剛剛去查了價錢...
加拿大Lexus Es300 80萬元台幣起..真他媽超便宜的...
其實也沒錯啦...可是畢竟台灣的市場小廠商也就出現了駝鳥心態而不像日美歐等車廠一樣去研發全新的車子...畢竟台灣的強項並不在汽車工業要求那麼多也沒有用....
的確...你說的沒錯...在加拿大税的確粉高比美國還高...高達15%..但是税高福利也做的很好至少我看到的是這個樣子...

台灣要收費我到沒什麼意見可是我到希望她們能採用電子收費也就是把收費站通通拆掉改成一上高速公路砸道就開始電子感應收費然後每個月寄帳單道家裡這樣做一方面節省時間另一方面疏通車流量不要每次過收費站都要浪費不必要的時間大排長龍....
我是在加拿大耶....
是喔...那我請我朋友幫我去關稅局問問好了...
台灣的稅收的在高一般道路的品質也必須成正比才可以~
To 博啟先生~
小弟自認對汽車行銷市場不是很清楚,因為我人在加拿大,雖然台灣國產的車子做的也不差(的確不差),可是卻沒有車廠願意使用自己的牌子生產車子相信不用我多說你也知道爲什麼吧(市場)..就連台灣最大的裕隆車廠也是掛日產的牌子,別跟我說她們以前也有自行研發,這我知道什麼飛鈴101等其他車子可是就現實面來說台灣的市場實在太小加上國人又不是全部愛用國貨如果像韓國人那樣也許台灣汽車自產牌可以打的出去,因此相對的也是歐美車廠馬首是瞻,我回應一樓先生並沒有扁低台灣車界的意思指不過我覺得世界上有些車廠真的缺乏創新雖然沒有10以前那麼誇張但是4-5年舊卻是一定有的,只是一昧的小改款而缺乏整體的大改創新以致於銷售始終濫到暴..在加拿大就有幾間公司是這樣但是不是大公司...
我想一樓先生想說的應該是大廠沒總是缺乏一些創新的idea感覺跟10年前的車沒什麼兩樣而不是說車廠舊瓶新裝...可是車子再整麼設計也還是四個輪子.. =)
To 博啟兄
看完你的留言就知道你是汽車行銷的專家~~可是雖然是車廠各家股份不一但是有一點不能否認..國人有普遍喜愛舶來品的習慣相信就算真的是台灣牌如果不能做的比歐美車廠強相信也很難吸引到消費者~畢竟不是2000萬人都買的起車子~~ 又空多多交流~~還有你說韓國車無論是Daewood或者是Hyundai其實我看不太起因為我覺得國人的技術強多了像我們的Cerfio就是一個最好的例子但是對方有著韓國人民的強力支持也能讓他們混到一個7大車廠...anyway有點離題了...無論如何真希望在國外能看到掛台灣牌的車車~~

對了..還有一點想請教博啟兄我是一名留學生想從加拿大帶一部Lexus IS300因為你應該知道在國外買台灣進口的車子價錢都是國內的一半(加完稅85-90萬左右)可是對於私人報關方面我不是很清楚想跟你請問一下會不會被課征很高的稅呢...?
其實我覺得日本跟北美版的camry的頭設計的比較有現代感,台灣版改的似乎有點太成熟了少了點年輕的味道...不過尾燈方面我到喜歡台灣的設計..改完之後跟BMW有點像...=) well個人喜好僅供參考~~
First identify the car you want - that is within your budget to purchase and to maintain.



Ask around the place, your colleague, your friends on which dealership in the area is the best, you can be as specific as the salesperson you want.



Before you go to the dealer, try to arrange financing. If you have done enough shopping around for financing, chances are that you will find a lower rate compared to the dealer. If you are paying cash, that is much better.



When you are ready to actually go look at your dream cars, bring along a friend how is experienced in the automotive world. You maybe a top-notch person yourself, but there is no harm having an extra set of eyes!



Once you have "chosen" the car you want. Talk to the sales person about pricing. This is where 2 people are better than one. Remember once the price has been set, read all the documents and understand them. Read every line especially the fine print. Also make sure the salesperson includes all his verbal promises in the signed documents. Also take great note about the services and warranty that comes with the car.



Buying a used car from the dealer? Follow the same steps about and checkout the right hand column for more "used car checks" information

From a Private Seller

(used)



NEVER buy a car without test driving it!



Check auto and consumer magazines for information on the reliability records of various models. There are certain makes & models that are just prone to problems. Avoid trouble from the beginning.



Run a Carfax report. NEVER buy a car without running a Carfax report. Based on my personal experience when trying to purchase a car, 2 out of 10 cars had problems.



Find out the retail and wholesale price of the vehicle you're interested in buying. This will improve your knowledge of the price and you can better negotiate with the seller.


As mentioned before, Test drive the vehicle you plan to buy and if possible bring it to a trusted mechanic, not the sellers mechanic


Ask the seller if the car has ever been in an accident. Check for rust, dents, paint discolorations, etc. (These are signs of wear and tear and accidents.) Even though the carfax report may come clean, try to look out for odometer tampering, the symptom are the white lines between the numbers that do not line up, or there is vibration of the 1/10-mile numbers while the car is moving.


Negotiate, Negotiate, Negotiate, this is the fun part. Depending on how much higher the seller's price is. Keep negotiating and "threaten" to walk away if he does not meet the price you want. usually sellers won't mind knocking of a couple hundred dollars as long as you say "I will buy the car right now if you take $X off". If you do not agree with the price, walk away. If he thinks your price is a good one, he will call you back.


我來翻譯一下吧~翻的不好請見諒

選一部自己要的車-並且在合乎自己的預算下來購買及保養

第二步四處的詢問親朋好友同事們看看哪一個地區的車行是最好的,當然這麼做你可以找到你最需要的銷售員

在你決定去找車行~泡茶聊天~之前勒先整理看看你手邊的現金有多少因為用現金負現不僅是自己最好還有機會跟銷售員討價還價比較價錢

當你已經決定去看看你的愛車,記得要帶一個對汽車十分聊解的大大,也許你也是一個汽車專家但是多一個人幫忙有時候可以幫你注意到一些小細節
確定在你選到了一台你想要的ㄅㄨㄅㄨ告訴sales你最理想的價錢記得殺價的時候兩個人會比一人來的好記得一切談好價錢的時候要把所有的文件仔細讀熟並且了解透徹.仔細的讀熟每一個段落並且最好印出來.還有要記得salesman在合約文件中給過什麼優惠或者是承諾都一定要記清楚. 還有一點要注意的就是售後服務及保證的問題.

想在車行買台二手車嘛?只要按照之前的流程,還有看看右手邊的"檢驗二手車"資訊

來自於私人的賣主
二手

~~千萬~~不要在買車前卻忘了試車

多參照一些來自不同型號又可靠的汽車消費者手冊,有助於解決一些不必要的問題減少麻煩是開始的第一步

拿一份carfax的報告,千萬不要買一台沒有行車報告的車子,根據很買家的經驗10個買主裡面就有兩個有這個問題

如果可以的話看可不可以找到你想買的那一台車的經銷價以及零售價,這可以增進你跟車行殺價的籌碼

之前有提到過,在你買車前要先試車,如果可以的話盡可能找你信任的氣修技工幫你試試車子而不是賣主方面的

記得要問這車子有沒有出過事故,檢查生鏽,凹痕,掉漆或變漆等等.(這些都是有出過事故的特徵)即使行車報告一切ok還是要去看看里程數看看汽車在行駛每1/10浬的時候表上數字的震動情形

談判~談判~在談判~,這裡是最有趣的環節.情況視賣方出多高的價錢而定.持續的談判或者裝模作樣告訴他自己不買了要走了,如果他還是不能滿足你理想中的價錢通常賣方不會想再跟你將持下去也不會跟你計較那幾千塊錢台幣(美金是幾百)所以你可以斬釘截鐵的告訴他,”我現在就要買這台車如果你給我便宜個幾千塊錢” 如果他不能滿意這個價錢什麼都不用說馬上走人,如果他認為你的價錢合理他會乖乖的叫你再回來的
First identify the car you want - that is within your budget to purchase and to maintain.



Ask around the place, your colleague, your friends on which dealership in the area is the best, you can be as specific as the salesperson you want.



Before you go to the dealer, try to arrange financing. If you have done enough shopping around for financing, chances are that you will find a lower rate compared to the dealer. If you are paying cash, that is much better.



When you are ready to actually go look at your dream cars, bring along a friend how is experienced in the automotive world. You maybe a top-notch person yourself, but there is no harm having an extra set of eyes!



Once you have "chosen" the car you want. Talk to the sales person about pricing. This is where 2 people are better than one. Remember once the price has been set, read all the documents and understand them. Read every line especially the fine print. Also make sure the salesperson includes all his verbal promises in the signed documents. Also take great note about the services and warranty that comes with the car.



Buying a used car from the dealer? Follow the same steps about and checkout the right hand column for more "used car checks" information

From a Private Seller

(used)



NEVER buy a car without test driving it!



Check auto and consumer magazines for information on the reliability records of various models. There are certain makes & models that are just prone to problems. Avoid trouble from the beginning.



Run a Carfax report. NEVER buy a car without running a Carfax report. Based on my personal experience when trying to purchase a car, 2 out of 10 cars had problems.



Find out the retail and wholesale price of the vehicle you're interested in buying. This will improve your knowledge of the price and you can better negotiate with the seller.


As mentioned before, Test drive the vehicle you plan to buy and if possible bring it to a trusted mechanic, not the sellers mechanic


Ask the seller if the car has ever been in an accident. Check for rust, dents, paint discolorations, etc. (These are signs of wear and tear and accidents.) Even though the carfax report may come clean, try to look out for odometer tampering, the symptom are the white lines between the numbers that do not line up, or there is vibration of the 1/10-mile numbers while the car is moving.


Negotiate, Negotiate, Negotiate, this is the fun part. Depending on how much higher the seller's price is. Keep negotiating and "threaten" to walk away if he does not meet the price you want. usually sellers won't mind knocking of a couple hundred dollars as long as you say "I will buy the car right now if you take $X off". If you do not agree with the price, walk away. If he thinks your price is a good one, he will call you back.


我來翻譯一下吧~翻的不好請見諒

選一部自己要的車-並且在合乎自己的預算下來購買及保養

第二步四處的詢問親朋好友同事們看看哪一個地區的車行是最好的,當然這麼做你可以找到你最需要的銷售員

在你決定去找車行~泡茶聊天~之前勒先整理看看你手邊的現金有多少因為用現金負現不僅是自己最好還有機會跟銷售員討價還價比較價錢

當你已經決定去看看你的愛車,記得要帶一個對汽車十分聊解的大大,也許你也是一個汽車專家但是多一個人幫忙有時候可以幫你注意到一些小細節
確定在你選到了一台你想要的ㄅㄨㄅㄨ告訴sales你最理想的價錢記得殺價的時候兩個人會比一人來的好記得一切談好價錢的時候要把所有的文件仔細讀熟並且了解透徹.仔細的讀熟每一個段落並且最好印出來.還有要記得salesman在合約文件中給過什麼優惠或者是承諾都一定要記清楚. 還有一點要注意的就是售後服務及保證的問題.

想在車行買台二手車嘛?只要按照之前的流程,還有看看右手邊的"檢驗二手車"資訊

來自於私人的賣主
二手

~~千萬~~不要在買車前卻忘了試車

多參照一些來自不同型號又可靠的汽車消費者手冊,有助於解決一些不必要的問題減少麻煩是開始的第一步

拿一份carfax的報告,千萬不要買一台沒有行車報告的車子,根據很買家的經驗10個買主裡面就有兩個有這個問題

如果可以的話看可不可以找到你想買的那一台車的經銷價以及零售價,這可以增進你跟車行殺價的籌碼

之前有提到過,在你買車前要先試車,如果可以的話盡可能找你信任的氣修技工幫你試試車子而不是賣主方面的

記得要問這車子有沒有出過事故,檢查生鏽,凹痕,掉漆或變漆等等.(這些都是有出過事故的特徵)即使行車報告一切ok還是要去看看里程數看看汽車在行駛每1/10浬的時候表上數字的震動情形

談判~談判~在談判~,這裡是最有趣的環節.情況視賣方出多高的價錢而定.持續的談判或者裝模作樣告訴他自己不買了要走了,如果他還是不能滿足你理想中的價錢通常賣方不會想再跟你將持下去也不會跟你計較那幾千塊錢台幣(美金是幾百)所以你可以斬釘截鐵的告訴他,”我現在就要買這台車如果你給我便宜個幾千塊錢” 如果他不能滿意這個價錢什麼都不用說馬上走人,如果他認為你的價錢合理他會乖乖的叫你再回來的
First identify the car you want - that is within your budget to purchase and to maintain.



Ask around the place, your colleague, your friends on which dealership in the area is the best, you can be as specific as the salesperson you want.



Before you go to the dealer, try to arrange financing. If you have done enough shopping around for financing, chances are that you will find a lower rate compared to the dealer. If you are paying cash, that is much better.



When you are ready to actually go look at your dream cars, bring along a friend how is experienced in the automotive world. You maybe a top-notch person yourself, but there is no harm having an extra set of eyes!



Once you have "chosen" the car you want. Talk to the sales person about pricing. This is where 2 people are better than one. Remember once the price has been set, read all the documents and understand them. Read every line especially the fine print. Also make sure the salesperson includes all his verbal promises in the signed documents. Also take great note about the services and warranty that comes with the car.



Buying a used car from the dealer? Follow the same steps about and checkout the right hand column for more "used car checks" information

From a Private Seller

(used)



NEVER buy a car without test driving it!



Check auto and consumer magazines for information on the reliability records of various models. There are certain makes & models that are just prone to problems. Avoid trouble from the beginning.



Run a Carfax report. NEVER buy a car without running a Carfax report. Based on my personal experience when trying to purchase a car, 2 out of 10 cars had problems.



Find out the retail and wholesale price of the vehicle you're interested in buying. This will improve your knowledge of the price and you can better negotiate with the seller.


As mentioned before, Test drive the vehicle you plan to buy and if possible bring it to a trusted mechanic, not the sellers mechanic


Ask the seller if the car has ever been in an accident. Check for rust, dents, paint discolorations, etc. (These are signs of wear and tear and accidents.) Even though the carfax report may come clean, try to look out for odometer tampering, the symptom are the white lines between the numbers that do not line up, or there is vibration of the 1/10-mile numbers while the car is moving.


Negotiate, Negotiate, Negotiate, this is the fun part. Depending on how much higher the seller's price is. Keep negotiating and "threaten" to walk away if he does not meet the price you want. usually sellers won't mind knocking of a couple hundred dollars as long as you say "I will buy the car right now if you take $X off". If you do not agree with the price, walk away. If he thinks your price is a good one, he will call you back.


我來翻譯一下吧~翻的不好請見諒

選一部自己要的車-並且在合乎自己的預算下來購買及保養

第二步四處的詢問親朋好友同事們看看哪一個地區的車行是最好的,當然這麼做你可以找到你最需要的銷售員

在你決定去找車行~泡茶聊天~之前勒先整理看看你手邊的現金有多少因為用現金負現不僅是自己最好還有機會跟銷售員討價還價比較價錢

當你已經決定去看看你的愛車,記得要帶一個對汽車十分聊解的大大,也許你也是一個汽車專家但是多一個人幫忙有時候可以幫你注意到一些小細節
確定在你選到了一台你想要的ㄅㄨㄅㄨ告訴sales你最理想的價錢記得殺價的時候兩個人會比一人來的好記得一切談好價錢的時候要把所有的文件仔細讀熟並且了解透徹.仔細的讀熟每一個段落並且最好印出來.還有要記得salesman在合約文件中給過什麼優惠或者是承諾都一定要記清楚. 還有一點要注意的就是售後服務及保證的問題.

想在車行買台二手車嘛?只要按照之前的流程,還有看看右手邊的"檢驗二手車"資訊

來自於私人的賣主
二手

~~千萬~~不要在買車前卻忘了試車

多參照一些來自不同型號又可靠的汽車消費者手冊,有助於解決一些不必要的問題減少麻煩是開始的第一步

拿一份carfax的報告,千萬不要買一台沒有行車報告的車子,根據很買家的經驗10個買主裡面就有兩個有這個問題

如果可以的話看可不可以找到你想買的那一台車的經銷價以及零售價,這可以增進你跟車行殺價的籌碼

之前有提到過,在你買車前要先試車,如果可以的話盡可能找你信任的氣修技工幫你試試車子而不是賣主方面的

記得要問這車子有沒有出過事故,檢查生鏽,凹痕,掉漆或變漆等等.(這些都是有出過事故的特徵)即使行車報告一切ok還是要去看看里程數看看汽車在行駛每1/10浬的時候表上數字的震動情形

談判~談判~在談判~,這裡是最有趣的環節.情況視賣方出多高的價錢而定.持續的談判或者裝模作樣告訴他自己不買了要走了,如果他還是不能滿足你理想中的價錢通常賣方不會想再跟你將持下去也不會跟你計較那幾千塊錢台幣(美金是幾百)所以你可以斬釘截鐵的告訴他,”我現在就要買這台車如果你給我便宜個幾千塊錢” 如果他不能滿意這個價錢什麼都不用說馬上走人,如果他認為你的價錢合理他會乖乖的叫你再回來的
First identify the car you want - that is within your budget to purchase and to maintain.

Ask around the place, your colleague, your friends on which dealership in the area is the best, you can be as specific as the salesperson you want.



Before you go to the dealer, try to arrange financing. If you have done enough shopping around for financing, chances are that you will find a lower rate compared to the dealer. If you are paying cash, that is much better.

When you are ready to actually go look at your dream cars, bring along a friend how is experienced in the automotive world. You maybe a top-notch person yourself, but there is no harm having an extra set of eyes!

Once you have "chosen" the car you want. Talk to the sales person about pricing. This is where 2 people are better than one. Remember once the price has been set, read all the documents and understand them. Read every line especially the fine print. Also make sure the salesperson includes all his verbal promises in the signed documents. Also take great note about the services and warranty that comes with the car.

Buying a used car from the dealer? Follow the same steps about and checkout the right hand column for more "used car checks" information

From a Private Seller

(used)

NEVER buy a car without test driving it!

Check auto and consumer magazines for information on the reliability records of various models. There are certain makes & models that are just prone to problems. Avoid trouble from the beginning.

Run a Carfax report. NEVER buy a car without running a Carfax report. Based on my personal experience when trying to purchase a car, 2 out of 10 cars had problems.

Find out the retail and wholesale price of the vehicle you're interested in buying. This will improve your knowledge of the price and you can better negotiate with the seller.

As mentioned before, Test drive the vehicle you plan to buy and if possible bring it to a trusted mechanic, not the sellers mechanic

Ask the seller if the car has ever been in an accident. Check for rust, dents, paint discolorations, etc. (These are signs of wear and tear and accidents.) Even though the carfax report may come clean, try to look out for odometer tampering, the symptom are the white lines between the numbers that do not line up, or there is vibration of the 1/10-mile numbers while the car is moving.

Negotiate, Negotiate, Negotiate, this is the fun part. Depending on how much higher the seller's price is. Keep negotiating and "threaten" to walk away if he does not meet the price you want. usually sellers won't mind knocking of a couple hundred dollars as long as you say "I will buy the car right now if you take $X off". If you do not agree with the price, walk away. If he thinks your price is a good one, he will call you back.


我來翻譯一下吧~翻的不好請見諒

選一部自己要的車-並且在合乎自己的預算下來購買及保養

第二步四處的詢問親朋好友同事們看看哪一個地區的車行是最好的,當然這麼做你可以找到你最需要的銷售員

在你決定去找車行~泡茶聊天~之前勒先整理看看你手邊的現金有多少因為用現金負現不僅是自己最好還有機會跟銷售員討價還價比較價錢

當你已經決定去看看你的愛車,記得要帶一個對汽車十分聊解的大大,也許你也是一個汽車專家但是多一個人幫忙有時候可以幫你注意到一些小細節
確定在你選到了一台你想要的ㄅㄨㄅㄨ告訴sales你最理想的價錢記得殺價的時候兩個人會比一人來的好記得一切談好價錢的時候要把所有的文件仔細讀熟並且了解透徹.仔細的讀熟每一個段落並且最好印出來.還有要記得salesman在合約文件中給過什麼優惠或者是承諾都一定要記清楚. 還有一點要注意的就是售後服務及保證的問題.

想在車行買台二手車嘛?只要按照之前的流程,還有看看右手邊的"檢驗二手車"資訊

來自於私人的賣主
二手

~~千萬~~不要在買車前卻忘了試車

多參照一些來自不同型號又可靠的汽車消費者手冊,有助於解決一些不必要的問題減少麻煩是開始的第一步

拿一份carfax的報告,千萬不要買一台沒有行車報告的車子,根據很買家的經驗10個買主裡面就有兩個有這個問題

如果可以的話看可不可以找到你想買的那一台車的經銷價以及零售價,這可以增進你跟車行殺價的籌碼

之前有提到過,在你買車前要先試車,如果可以的話盡可能找你信任的氣修技工幫你試試車子而不是賣主方面的

記得要問這車子有沒有出過事故,檢查生鏽,凹痕,掉漆或變漆等等.(這些都是有出過事故的特徵)即使行車報告一切ok還是要去看看里程數看看汽車在行駛每1/10浬的時候表上數字的震動情形

談判~談判~在談判~,這裡是最有趣的環節.情況視賣方出多高的價錢而定.持續的談判或者裝模作樣告訴他自己不買了要走了,如果他還是不能滿足你理想中的價錢通常賣方不會想再跟你將持下去也不會跟你計較那幾千塊錢台幣(美金是幾百)所以你可以斬釘截鐵的告訴他,”我現在就要買這台車如果你給我便宜個幾千塊錢” 如果他不能滿意這個價錢什麼都不用說馬上走人,如果他認為你的價錢合理他會乖乖的叫你再回來的
台灣應該沒有Matrix吧...?
這部車子是通用汽車公司以及豐田汽車公司合作生產的車子目前只在北美洲販售~Matrix分別分為6個型號分別為
Matrix (4速自排,五速手排)
Matrix XR (4速自排,五速手排)
Matrix XRS (4速自排,6速手排)
Matrix 4WD (4速自排)
Matrix XR 4WD (4速自排)

Matrix 是一部家用型的Rally跑車.
他搭載了1.8L VVT-I 16汽門引擎瞬間最大馬力可到130匹及180匹(XRS)及扭力125 lb-ft(XR) 130lb-ft(XRS)

本人試過這一台車,除了外型兇猛之外內裝也稱的上豪華,而且動力方面瞬間加速感覺也不錯..當然他最強的應該是rally方面會讓人感到那種越野的快感...
呵呵說的不錯...
這篇站在的是老外的觀點...
當然我們可以學習她們的談判技巧..
台灣有Toyota的Matrix嘛...?
那部車再國外賣的好便宜喔...最高級也才8-90萬..怎麼一到國內就飆的這麼高了...?
我之前也是有想到要用報關的名義....

可是海關給了我一個答案,每一個人一生中只能帶一台車回國,主要是要防止個人跑單幫破壞汽車市場的情況發生~!(當然防止走私) 他說除非是代理商不然個人名義要帶車是不太可能的...況且他也跟Empty兄一樣建議我就進口關稅以及零件取得勸我打消這個念頭...........~!

算了...我看我買IS300好了...
前往討論:關於Acura 的車子