車尾的車標是寫 HONDA

	回應 kevinni (niba) 所寫
	回應 megadeth (megadeth) 所寫 這個嘛 網頁當中也寫了不少東西 真的就是中指王要去紅軍所以KIMI走人啊!! 其中甚至有一段還影射中指王看過KIMI的合約所以敢大膽說出九月的時間點 如果中指王沒有要去紅軍 KIMI何必要走? 不能因為說媽傻也拿大便銀行的錢所以KIMI不算中指王搞走的 這樣不合理啊 我的意思是, Kimi其實是大便銀行趕走的 Alonso帶著大便銀行進法拉拉, 本來就穩居第一車手, 不需要爭 爭的是Massa跟Kimi 但大便銀行要的是Massa母國的市場 這就是現今F1的現實 商業凌駕專業 有些車隊就有這個影子 這也是為何, 法拉拉總是挺Massa到底的原因

哇災啦
我想講的跟你的差不多只是多了幾個字
Kimi其實是大便銀行"為了讓ALONSO進FERRARI"趕走的
如果中指王不想進紅軍
KIMI就不會走
個人的看法這就是因跟果
因為ALONSO要進紅軍(因)
所以大便銀行想辦法幫他趕走KIMI(果)

手指是我覺得還好啦
比起當年的中指王
這根本算是小菜一碟啊

不過罵人家就有點糟糕了
有點大頭症

這個嘛
網頁當中也寫了不少東西
真的就是中指王要去紅軍所以KIMI走人啊!!
其中甚至有一段還影射中指王看過KIMI的合約所以敢大膽說出九月的時間點
如果中指王沒有要去紅軍
KIMI何必要走?
不能因為說媽傻也拿大便銀行的錢所以KIMI不算中指王搞走的
這樣不合理啊

"當你犯了錯就得要承認，並且不要重複同樣的錯誤。但如果不是你的錯，那就不是你的問題。"

照他之前講的
他本身的想法應該是後者

這個嘛
大概看了一下~ 眼睛好痛
裡面是有提到大便銀行有贊助MASSA
但是應該沒有提到誰的金額比較多

而且
KIMI討厭老輸應該是作者的"猜測"
KIMI確實有說的是在FERRARI團隊裡他只討厭一個人
或許就是老輸
但是應該沒人證實

總之
中指王是造成KIMI離隊的主因
確認無誤

多謝回覆
所以事實上還是有一定人治的成分存在對吧

	回應 vettel0129 (褐髮webber) 所寫
	可以的喔 只要事故處理的差不多了 大會就會宣佈被套圈車可以進行超車🙂 格洛克超越安全車的瞬間

那會回到原本的位子嗎?
假設安全車後的第一台A是被套兩圈的最後一名
安全車後的第二台B是被套一圈的倒數第二名
在SC後面的排序如下

<--SC A B Leader C

這兩台車超過安全車回到最尾端的車陣以後
排序是A B
還是B A

此外, 承接上面的問題
因為A已經被套兩圈了
所以B超過SC以後當然+1 lap就不見了
那麼A呢? 超完SC以後會如何?
+2 laps直接取消? 再超過所有車一次所以+2 laps取消? 還是跟在車陣最後端保持+1 lap

最後一個問題
那就是在車陣當中可以進行超車並unlap的有哪些車?
是否只有在SC還有第一名中間那些被套圈的車子?
如果是在第一名以後就不以了?
同上面的例子
假設A B C都是被套圈的車子
那麼是否只有A B可以超過SC, C則不行?
還是A B C都可以超過去?

以上問題請教
Thanks in advance

詳細F1規定(下)

原文出處: F1官網
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/fia.html

翻譯: 吉米賴

40.9 When ordered to do so by the clerk of the course the observer in the car will use a green light to signal to any cars between it and the race leader that they should pass. These cars will continue at reduced speed and without overtaking until they reach the line of cars behind the safety car.
當被大會有下達指令讓介於領先車手還有安全車中間的車子超越時, 安全車會以綠色的燈號告知落後的車手超越安全車. 這些落後的車子將會被要求以減緩的車速但是不能進行超越的方式追回到由安全車所領導的車陣的最後方.

40.10 The safety car shall be used at least until the leader is behind it and all remaining cars are lined up behind him.
Once behind the safety car, the race leader must keep within ten car lengths of it (except under Article 40.13 below).
安全車應該確保他後方的那輛車就是領先者, 同時其他的車輛都跟隨在領先車手的後方. 一旦跟在安全車後方的車陣當中, 所有車輛間的距離將不可以超過十個車身長. (以下40.13所提的情形除外)

40.11 Under certain circumstances the clerk of the course may ask the safety car to use the pit lane. In these cases, and provided its orange lights remain illuminated, all cars must follow it into the pit lane without overtaking. Any car entering the pit lane under these circumstances may stop at its designated garage area.
Other than when the safety car has been asked to use the pit lane, no car may enter the pits whilst the safety car is deployed unless it is for the purpose of changing tyres.
在某些特定的情形下, 賽會的工作人員得以要求安全車利用維修區域來領導車輛. 在這些案例當中, 橘色的燈號將會被持續的點亮, 同時所有的車輛必須跟隨著安全車進入維修區當中, 同時不得進行任何的超越. 在這樣情形下進入維修區的車輛可以停靠在自己的維修區. 除了在安全車被要求進入維修區的情形下, 任何車輛都不可以進入維修區, 除非有任何換胎的需求.

40.12 If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" is shown on the timing monitors, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car. This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable.
If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message "OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be shown on the timing monitors.
如果賽會的人員認為安全許可, "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE"(被套圈的車輛可以進行超車)的訊號將會被顯示在計時監視器上, 此時所有被套圈的車輛將會被要求超越那些未被套圈的車子以及安全車. 這個規則將只適用在那些在安全車出來以後且已經通過第一條安全車線兩次後, 才在賽道的終點線後被套圈的車輛. 超越那些未被套圈的車子以及安全車後, 這些被套圈的車子必須以適當的速度重新回到安全車所領導的車陣後方, 在此同時, 不得超越其他車輛. 為了確保超越的過程是安全的, 領先的車輛必須隨時保持在比賽線(racing line)上, 除非有避免不了的原因否則不允許偏移比賽線. 如果賽會的人員認為賽道的情形不允許進行超車的動作, 那麼"OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED"(不允許超車)的訊息將會被顯示在計時顯示器上.

40.13 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.
In order to avoid the likelihood of accidents before the safety car returns to the pits, from the point at which the lights on the car are turned out drivers must proceed at a pace which involves no erratic acceleration or braking nor any other manoeuvre which is likely to endanger other drivers or impede the restart.
As the safety car is approaching the pit entry the yellow flags and SC boards will be withdrawn and, other than on the last lap of the race, replaced by waved green flags with green lights at the Line. These will be displayed until the last car crosses the Line.
當賽會人員決定賽道已經是安全的時候, "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP"(安全車將駛離賽道)的訊息將會被顯示在計時監視器上, 同時安全車上的橘色燈號將會熄滅. 這個動作主要是用來通知車隊以及車手, 安全車將在該圈的終點駛入維修區. 此時, 跟在安全車上的第一輛車將會被下達保持配速的指令, 必要時, 與後車的距離將會被要求縮短至十個車身以內. 為了避免在安全車回到維修區前發生可能的事故, 車手們被要求保持一定的配速且不得以怪異的方式來進行加速, 減速, 或是技巧性的操作以避免危害到其他車手和賽事的重新起跑. 當安全車接近維修區的入口時, 黃旗以及SC板子將會被撤除, 除非此時是賽事的最後一圈, 否則工作人員將會揮舞著綠色的旗子同時以綠色的燈號顯示在賽道上. 這些旗幟以及燈號將會持續的顯示直到所有的車輛都通過起跑線.

40.14 Each lap completed while the safety car is deployed will be counted as a race lap.
所有在安全車帶領下完成的圈數都將會被視為正式的比賽圈數.

40.15 If the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, it will enter the pit lane at the end of the lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.
如果安全車在比賽的最後一圈依然在場上帶領車陣, 或是安全車在最後一圈才上場帶領車陣, 那麼安全車將會在最後一圈結束時駛入維修區而所有的車輛必須依序通過方格旗且不可以進行超車的動作.

40.16 Under certain circumstances the race may be started behind the safety car or resumed in accordance with Article 42.5(a). In either case, at the ten minute signal its orange lights will be illuminated, this being the signal to the drivers that the race will be started (or resumed) behind the safety car. At the same time a message confirming this will be displayed on the timing monitors.
When the green lights are illuminated the safety car will leave the grid and all drivers must follow in grid order, no more than ten car lengths apart, and must respect the pit lane speed limit until they pass pole position. During a race start there will be no formation lap and race will start when the green lights are illuminated. Overtaking is only permitted if :
在某些特殊的情形下賽事必須以安全車帶領的方式, 或是如42.5(a)中所提及的情況下重新開始. 在這些特殊的情形中, 橘色的燈號將會被持續的點亮十分鐘, 這個訊號是用來通知車手賽事將會在安全車領導下重新開始. 在此同時, 此一確認通知的消息將會被顯示在計時監視器上. 當綠燈亮起時安全車會離開起跑線, 此時所有的車輛將會依照在起跑線的順序依據跟在安全車後且車與車之間的距離不得超過十個車身長. 此時車輛被要求以安全區的速限前進直到通過了第一排的排頭出發位置. 當賽事開始的時候不會有正式的繞圈, 而且賽事會在綠燈亮起的狀況下重新開始. 在以下的情形才會被允許進行超車:

a) A car is delayed when leaving the grid and cars behind cannot avoid passing it without unduly delaying the remainder of the field, or
當有車輛在離開起跑區時產生延遲, 而在其後的車輛無法避免在不刻意延後更後方車輛的情形下必須超過該延遲的車輛, 或是

b) There is more than one car starting from the pit lane and one of them is unduly delayed. In either case drivers may only overtake to re]establish the original starting order or the order the cars at the pit exit were in when the race was started. Any driver delayed in either way, and who is unable to re]establish the original starting order before he reaches the first safety car line, must enter the pit lane and may only join the race once the whole field has passed the end of the pit lane.
有超過一輛以上的車子必須從維修區起跑, 且這些車輛當中有一輛車子發生了不適當的延遲動作. 在這些情形下, 車輛得以進行超越以維持原有的起跑順序, 或維持當賽事開始時, 車輛使出維修區的順序. 任何造成上述延遲情形的車手, 若是他無法在到達第一條安全車線前回歸到原有的起跑順序時, 那麼這些車手必須重新進入維修區, 同時必須在所有的車輛都通過維修區終點後才能重新加入賽車.


補充40.16
42) RESUMING A RACE
賽事重新開始
42.5 The race will be resumed behind the safety car when the green lights are illuminated. The safety car will enter the pits after one lap unless :
在綠燈亮起的情形下, 比賽會在安全車的帶領下重新開始. 除非發生下述的情形, 安全車將會在一圈以後進入維修區:

a) the race is being resumed in wet conditions and the race director deems more than one lap necessary, in which case see Articles 25.4(g) and 40.16 ;
在賽道濕滑的情形下恢復賽事, 當賽事總監認為需要以安全車帶領超過一圈以上以確保賽事的進行, 此情況請參考25.4(g)及40.16的規範;

b) all cars are not yet in a line behind the safety car ;
所有的車輛尚未依序的排在安全車後進行繞行;

c) team personnel are still clearing the grid ;
車隊人員依然在清理起跑區;

d) a further incident occurs necessitating another intervention.
有更多的事故發生迫使大會須另一次介入比賽.

When the green lights are illuminated the safety car will leave the grid and all drivers must follow, no more than ten car lengths apart, and must respect the pit lane speed limit until they pass pole position. Soon after the last car in line behind the safety car passes the end of the pit lane (including any cars which were waved off under 42.3 above) the pit exit light will be turned green, any car in the pit lane may then enter the track and join the line of cars behind the safety car.
當綠燈亮起時安全車會離開起跑線, 此時所有的車輛將會依照在起跑線的順序依據跟在安全車後且車與車之間的距離不得超過十個車身長. 此時車輛被要求以安全區的速限前進直到通過了第一排的排頭出發位置. 當車陣的最後一台車通過了維修區的出口以後(其中包含42.3中所提到的那些車輛), 離開維修區的通行燈號將會亮起綠燈, 此時在維修區當中的所有車輛將可以進入賽道, 同時重新回到安全車後的車後並跟隨繞行.

吉米賴 2012/3/22

詳細F1規定(上)

原文出處: F1官網
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/fia.html

翻譯: 吉米賴

40) SAFETY CAR
安全車

40.1 The FIA safety car will be driven by an FIA appointed driver and will carry an FIA observer capable of recognising all the competing cars who is in permanent radio contact with race control.
FIA的安全車是由FIA評鑑後的指定車手來駕駛, 而安全車駕駛將會持續的以無線電和賽會控制組保持聯繫.

40.2 Thirty minutes before the start of the formation lap the safety car will take up position at the front of the grid and remain there until the five minute signal is given. At this point (except under Article 40.16 below) it will cover a whole lap of the circuit and take up position.
在正式比賽前的三十分鐘, 安全車將會停放在起跑區域的前方直到比賽五分鐘前的燈號亮起. 此時, (除了下述的40.16的情形外)安全車將會繞行賽到一週並停其所屬的位置.

40.3 The safety car may be brought into operation to neutralise a race upon the order of the clerk of the course.
It will be used only if competitors or officials are in immediate physical danger but the circumstances are not such as to necessitate suspending the race.
在車手或是其他工作人員有立即的生理上的危險, 但此事故又不足以終止整個賽事時, 安全車會根據本賽事的賽道工作人員指示來引導賽事.

40.4 When the order is given to deploy the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED" will be displayed on the timing monitors and all marshal's posts will display waved yellow flags and "SC" boards for the duration of the intervention.
當派出安全車的指令被下達時, "SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED"這個指令將會被顯示在計時的監視器上, 期間, 所有工作人員將揮舞黃旗以及”SC”的板子.

40.5 No car may be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person at any time whilst the safety car is deployed. This will apply whether any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
安全車引導的期間, 車子不論是在賽道上, 維修區的入口或是維修區通道當中,都被要求不需要刻意的放慢其速度, 以奇怪的方式行進, 或是以任何可能造成其他車手或人員潛在危險的方式前進.

40.6 The safety car will join the track with its orange lights illuminated and will do so regardless of where the race leader is.
不論當時的領先者是誰, 安全車會在亮起其橘色燈號時進入賽道.

40.7All competing cars must reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which the "SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED" message is shown on the timing monitors until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the second time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU.
在安全車進入賽道後, 所有的車子必須減緩速度, 同時依序列隊並跟在安全車後方前進, 此時, 車與車之間的距離不得超過十個車身長. 為了確保車手做了足夠的減速動作, 從"SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED"的訊息被顯示在計時監視器上到所有車子第二次通過第一條安全車線後, 車手必須維持在FIA引擎監理程式所設定的最低時間內.

40.8 With the exceptions of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the first safety car line for the first time when the safety car is returning to the pits. However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, Article 40.15 will apply.
除了在下面a)到h)所列出的例外情形中, 車手將不能對賽道當中的任何車, 包括安全車進行超越, 除非安全車在越過第一條安全車線後進入維修區當中後才能進行超越. 然而, 若是安全車在最後一圈還是在外領導繞行, 或是安全車在最後一圈出動領導繞行, 那麼將實行第40.15當中的要求.

The exceptions are :
這些例外的情形包括:

a) If a driver is signalled to do so from the safety car.
如果車手被以安全車上的訊號通知超越安全車.

b) Under 40.13 or 40.16 below.
根據以下40.13或是40.16的要求.

c) When entering the pits a driver may pass another car remaining on the track, including the safety car, after he has reached the first safety car line.
當車手通過第一條安全車線後必須超越其他依然保留在賽道上的車手或是安全車才能進入維修區時.

d) When leaving the pits a driver may overtake, or be overtaken by, another car on the track before he reaches the second safety car line.
當車手離開維修區時, 可以在第二條安全車線前超越其他車手, 反之, 在賽道上的車手也可對此離開維修區的車手進行超越.

e) When the safety car is returning to the pits it may be overtaken by cars on the track once it has reached the first safety car line.
當安全車準備回維修區時, 在安全車通過第一條安全車線後車手得以超越安全車.

f) Whilst in the pit entry, pit lane or pit exit a driver may overtake another car which is also in one of these three areas.
車手得以在維修區的入口, 維修區, 以及維修區的出口超越在相同區域的其他車輛.

g) Any car stopping in its designated garage area whilst the safety car is using the pit lane (see 40.11 below) may be overtaken.
當安全車使用維修區來領導車陣時(請參考40.11的說明), 車手將被允許超越那些停留在其車庫位子上的車子.

h) If any car slows with an obvious problem.
當有車子因為明顯的問題而速度減慢時, 將允許被超越.

吉米賴 2012/3/22

2012安全車規範的概述

原文出處: F1官網
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8687/

翻譯: 吉米賴

Safety car
安全車

The safety car’s main function, as its name implies, is to assist in maintaining safe track conditions throughout the Grand Prix weekend. It is driven by an experienced circuit driver and carries an FIA observer who is in permanent radio contact with race control.
安全車的功能, 正如其名, 是在週末大賽的期間用來幫助賽道維持安全的狀態. 安全車是由有經驗並由FIA認可的賽車手所駕駛, 在賽事的過程中安全車的駕駛必須全程的以無線電和賽會控制組保持聯繫.

If an accident or incident occurs that is not severe enough to warrant suspending the race, but which cannot be dealt with under yellow flags, then the safety car will be called on to the circuit to slow the cars down.
如果在比賽的過程發生了不足以中止比賽的事件或是事故, 但卻又無法在僅只有黃旗的情況下加以排除, 那麼此時安全車將會被叫上場並用來減緩賽車的車速.

It will come on to the circuit with its orange lights on and all drivers must form a queue behind it with no overtaking allowed. The safety car will signal backmarkers to pass by using its green light until the race leader is immediately behind it.
安全車將會在車上的橘燈被點亮的情形進入賽道, 這時所有的車手將不可以進行超車且需要依序的跟在安全車的後面. 過程中, 安全車以綠燈向那些已經落後於暫居第一名車手的其他車手表示可以超越安全車, 直到安全車後方的第一輛車就是暫居領先的車手.

If the incident that brought out the safety car has blocked the pit straight, the clerk of the course may direct the safety car to lead the field through the pit lane. Cars are free to stop at their pit garage should this happen.
如果把安全車引出來的事故正好擋住了維修區旁的大直線賽道, 賽道的工作人員可以直接下令安全車帶領車陣越過維修通道. 車輛此時可以自由的停在他們的維修區車庫內.

When the safety car is ready to leave the circuit it extinguishes its orange lights, indicating to the drivers that it will peel off into the pits at the end of the current lap. The drivers then continue in formation until they cross the first safety-car line where green lights will indicate that they are free to race again.
當安全車準備要離開賽道時會熄滅安全車上的橘色燈號, 並藉此告知車手安全車將會在這圈完成的時候進入維修區當中. 過程中, 車手們將會維持同樣的陣形繞行, 同時在通過亮有綠燈的第一條安全車線時下才可以開始繼續進行比賽並超越.

In exceptional circumstances, such as in extremely poor weather, a race may begin behind the safety car, which will put its orange lights on ten minutes before the start to indicate this. When those lights switch to green the safety car will lead the field around the circuit in grid order.
在一些特殊的情形下, 例如極端惡劣的天氣, 賽事必須在安全車的領導下重新開始, 此時在起跑前十分鐘內, 橘色的燈號將會持續的點亮以告知此一情形. 當安全車的燈號轉為綠燈時, 安全車將會帶領車陣依照場上的排名進行繞行.

Overtaking on this first lap is not allowed, unless a car has a problem getting away from the grid, in which case the delayed driver may repass cars in order to regain his original position. (If he fails to regain that position before the end of the lap, he must pit and rejoin the race once the field have passed the pit exit.) The safety car will peel into the pits at the end of the lap and drivers are free to race once they have crossed the first safety car line immediately prior to commencing the next lap. No overtaking is allowed if the safety car is on track on the final lap.
在上述情形的第一圈當中進行超越是不被許可的, 除非有車輛因某些問題無法離開起跑區域, 且需要重新超越以回到他原有的排位. (如果該車手在該圈無法進行重新的超越並回到他原有的起跑位子時, 那麼車手必須進到維修區當中並等待車陣通過維修區後在駛離維修區並加入車陣) 在安全車脫離車陣進入到維修區後, 車手得以在進入下一圈前, 在通過亮有綠燈的第一條安全車線時開始繼續進行比賽並超越. 如果安全車在比賽最後一圈時還是在場上, 那麼任何的超越都將不會被允許.

All laps completed behind the safety car count as race laps.
所有在安全車領導下完成的圈數都將被視為比賽完成的圈數.

吉米賴 2012/3/22

個人感覺
他沒有講錯
ALONSO的贊助商付的錢比佩卓夫的贊助商還要多
當年買斷KIMI的合約靠的不就是便便銀行?
贊助FERRARI的錢不說光是買斷KIMI的合約就要多少錢?
這兩項加起來有多少錢??
現在更強
便便銀行直接贊助FERRARI五年
老實講我從老輸的時代轉頭FERRARI多年
我沒有看過比這幾年更市儈的交易了
要說到用錢買位子
ALONSO說他是第二沒有人敢講他是第一

老實講
如果沒有便便銀行買斷KIMI的出賽權
ALONSO有辦法那麼快到法拉利嗎
答案應該很明顯

別這樣說
之前我也有在玩F1遊戲
可是太久沒上所以帳號忘了